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	<title>Comments on: Opponent Modelling &#8211; Calling/Raising a 4-bet</title>
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		<title>By: Derrick Kwa</title>
		<link>http://www.countingtheodds.com/2010/02/opponent-modelling-callingraising-a-4-bet/comment-page-1/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Derrick Kwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely, it&#039;s player specific, and any chart I do at the moment would be very crude. I don&#039;t deny that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think, though, I have to start somewhere. With this chart I&#039;m assuming players like those you mentioned at 1/2. Basically, in a vacuum, a player who knows what he&#039;s doing. And I&#039;m thinking that using this as a starting point, you can include information about the situation (player&#039;s stats, the pot size, etc), to get a more definitive &quot;value&quot; on the situation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But yeah, definitely, this is nowhere near a finished product. This is barely a starting point into my exploration of modelling opponents (in a way that&#039;s possible for humans), and I had to start somewhere. Hope it was still interesting and/or of some sort of value to you, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely, it&#39;s player specific, and any chart I do at the moment would be very crude. I don&#39;t deny that.</p>
<p>I think, though, I have to start somewhere. With this chart I&#39;m assuming players like those you mentioned at 1/2. Basically, in a vacuum, a player who knows what he&#39;s doing. And I&#39;m thinking that using this as a starting point, you can include information about the situation (player&#39;s stats, the pot size, etc), to get a more definitive &#8220;value&#8221; on the situation.</p>
<p>But yeah, definitely, this is nowhere near a finished product. This is barely a starting point into my exploration of modelling opponents (in a way that&#39;s possible for humans), and I had to start somewhere. Hope it was still interesting and/or of some sort of value to you, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
		<link>http://www.countingtheodds.com/2010/02/opponent-modelling-callingraising-a-4-bet/comment-page-1/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if your up against the standard nit who plays say 15/15 at 0.10NL 6max then..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He will almost never call a 4bet with anything but TT and JJ and QQ is either call fold or raise. KK is shove.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But bad players do call with 88 77 even tho the set mining odds are so -ev when up against over pair its funny.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It depends really what limit your playing. At 0.02NL you will only get a 3 or 4bet with AA and KK and maybe sometimes with AK(he will go all in with it)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The higher you go the move people 3 and 4 bet pairs because they understand the value as compared to the weak players who need to see a flop with 88 in order to call a bet.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At 1/2 people 4 bet/shove AK AQ AA KK QQ JJ TT and maybe 99. The reason for it is many people attack the blinds more and 4betting becomes +ev as opposed to the micro.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t know exactly how you can put a chart like this because every stake on every site is different.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But it looks good..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if your up against the standard nit who plays say 15/15 at 0.10NL 6max then..</p>
<p>He will almost never call a 4bet with anything but TT and JJ and QQ is either call fold or raise. KK is shove.</p>
<p>But bad players do call with 88 77 even tho the set mining odds are so -ev when up against over pair its funny.</p>
<p>It depends really what limit your playing. At 0.02NL you will only get a 3 or 4bet with AA and KK and maybe sometimes with AK(he will go all in with it)</p>
<p>The higher you go the move people 3 and 4 bet pairs because they understand the value as compared to the weak players who need to see a flop with 88 in order to call a bet.</p>
<p>At 1/2 people 4 bet/shove AK AQ AA KK QQ JJ TT and maybe 99. The reason for it is many people attack the blinds more and 4betting becomes +ev as opposed to the micro.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t know exactly how you can put a chart like this because every stake on every site is different.</p>
<p>But it looks good..</p>
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